The C.M. does not come here.
Don't ask me all this. Go, ask there.
No, I was told that C.M. comes here at the Janta Darbar.
Right now Janta Darbar is not being held...
the officers who sit there listen to people's problems related to medical...
No, I was told that C.M. meets here.
He meets here only but not these days.
Can you tell when will he meet?
I can't say.
Okay, so I should go ahead and meet them?
Yes the officer will tell.
Alright.
I-card, please?
Yes Sir...
I wanted to meet the C.M. Mr. Arvind ?
The C.M. meetings have stopped.
Okay fine. Till when is it closed?
He is not meeting anyone.
So, how can I meet him?
The meetings have been stopped.
Till when?
I don't know.
I live in Chicago city with my family.
My wife Bharti is also a doctor, she is an anesthiologist.
and I have 2 sons, Subramaniam and Om.
Though we live in a foreign country we still follow Indian practices...
We cannot manage without Indian food.
Drinking tea, made in Indian style is great fun.
In 2013, when I came to India my sons were in school.
How will they to go to school?
Who will pick them up from school?
Who will take care of my family?
Who will manage the expenses?
Overlooking all my core responsibilities, I came to India with an agitating zest.
At that time, my younger son was in second grade...
and my elder son was in high school.
After completing M.B.B.S from India,
I came to USA for medical specialization
I pursued specialization in newborn babies from Chicago and started practicing here itself.
I work in the neonatal ICU department.
Treating newborn babies comes with many challenges
Treating and helping premature and sick babies gives me exceptional satisfaction.
Maybe the pediatric science in India for treating newborn babies is not much advanced...
hence many doctors have the desire for higher training in neonatology.
Hello Mr. Sunil, how are you doing?
Have you been able to schedule a meeting with Anna ji?
Yes, absolutely please let him know. You can speak to his assistant.
I think he stays at the Maharashtra Sadan whenever he comes there.
Dear Arvind,
The Aam Aadmi Party donation details...
were suddenly removed by you in 2016 from the party's website.
But through the 'No List No Donation' campaign...
we always kept urging and pleading you, to restore the donation list immediately.
Transparency in political funding is the fundamental principle of our party.
While living in a foreign country when when Indians meet each other...
they never forget to talk about their motherland.
Their motherland's fragrance keeps pulling them back
USA is a nation of immigrants.
Apart from professional conversations...
In America catching up with news of their own countries, is a very common thing to do.
There are so many questions in my mind...
Was leaving a settled life and going to India a good decision?
Today, when I look back I wonder whether we made a mistake?
Oh, were you coming here?
No, we can go upstairs.
Whatever you wish.
And you? You're here for some time?
I am here for a few weeks before I go back for some time.
What are you doing in Chicago?
I work as a doctor.
Oh, what kind of medicine?
Neonatology.
Okay as we are in course we work with the Ayurveda.
Yes.
we are having an international conference in the Bay field, but it will be in the San Francisco area.
This movement was going on, you were mainly in India then?
Yeah, went over for the movement.
probably I mean it has been 5-7 years ago when this...
Yes that's right, I have been traveling frequently
And you must have seen Mayank Gandhi's book?
Yes...Yes...
And then the other thing we can see... Are we filming this?
Have you started?
So, sir, I have seen you quoting this that modern India has lost its touch with traditional India
Yes.
So, in that way has Indian politics also lost its connection with the past?
Well, this is a long story, it begins the Indian independence movement
had a tremendous idealism behind it and a strong connection to India's past culture...
The idea of India, Mother India, Ram Raja figures like Mahatma Gandhi in a loincloth,
or yogis like Mr. Aurobindo, Tilak and the Geeta...
India is, first of all, a great religious civilization going back thousands of years.
It needs to recognize its identity.
When India was becoming independent people all over the world...
had the image that this great yogic, spiritual India would awaken...
Instead, it became another secular, socialist, republic,
borderline communist state, a great disappointment!
A lot of the colonial negativity or colonial biases against India during the independence movement.
were actually taken up by the post-independence and you can see that as to how the leftist influence,
replaced the earlier influence. How the Nehruvian Congress replaced the Gandhian Congress!
And, how politics gradually became a business, there were of course various necessities...
running a country, with so many people, with so many different political parties from different states.
India's population is greater than all of Africa.
It has a diversity greater than Europe and it has probably twice the population.
Some states in India like Tamil Nadu have literature in history longer than any country in Europe.
India is a great civilization and it has its civilization values.
It has to affirm it's civilizational past, which is a religious civilization
And, it has different views of politics. It has its idealism.
It has its religious views
It has the idea that the political leader should be in consultation with sages and yogis...
and and have a deeper view rather than just personal concerns.
The traditional king usually had to renounce the throne later on in life.
But now this idea, that anything religious is almost communal and we have to discriminate,
between what might be a religious belief and might be a practice like
Non-violence or Insistence of truth, or even a lot of yoga and meditation practices.
you can't claim them because they have connections with spiritual-religious traditions
but you can't allow them in the schools.
We as the Aam Aadmi Party came with this kind of insistence for holding onto truth.
yes
You know righteousness, because after 65 years of Independence
when there is so much corruption and the scams were going on...
We took a stand as the Aam Aadmi Party,
that we will bring and do honest politics. We will do politics with clean money.
Yes.
We will bring system transformation. We will bring an overhaul in the system.
Yes.
So insistence of truth by non-violence used to be a powerful tool for us.
Like Anna Hazare insisted that his Ramlila ground hunger strike was a way of...
insisting the truth by non-violence. Either you do this or I will sit on a fast unto death.
Yes.
How come, this party which came with this kind of righteousness, has deviated from its idealism?
Well, first of all, Anna Hazare is taking a kind of Gandhian model in his approach
and trying to invoke a somewhat similar idealism, but of course some years later.
I believe he was also inspired by Swami Vivekananda.
And, so that was there but it was there in a different political era...
where you also had various mixed influences among the people in this movement.
So, what's your comment on the Aam Aadmi Party still championing
that we are very transparent in political funding,
yet it has removed the donors list from its website.
So, how do you comment on this dichotomy?
Well, it's not a dichotomy, it's hypocrisy. You cannot go and say that you are transparent,
and on the other part you close the doors.
It's not a dichotomy, it's hypocrisy.
Hello Mr. Jai Nath
Hello Munish.
How are you?
I am doing great.
Yes please tell me.
The thing is Munish, I think that the problems in Delhi...
Okay
are not good right now.
So, before you go to Delhi,
Alright...
you must first come here to meet me.
Okay, so I have to come to London?
Yes, that's right.
You want me to come to London?
It will be easier for you.
That's fine. I will come definitely, as I want to meet and sit down for a chat with you.
Hey Mr. Jai Nath
Hey, Munish its been a long time no see.
Come let's chat. Let's go ahead and talk. Please come.
So you came to England before Independence, I mean before 1947.
See Munish I came to England in 1956
and I worked here as an engineer, research & re-dvelopment.
So, my life began in London, and now in the end too I am back in London.
Now the thing is, that the initial years of my life in this country were such,
that I had no interest in the political life here.
But I had strong opinions on Indian politics.
Because my status here in London depends on India's status.
So, the time when I joined hands with the Aam Aadmi Party, I was 75 years old.
And I thought I must do something for the Indian politics as I am well versed in Indian politics...
and my extended family also lives in India.
Hence I thought, my participation should be from there
This is River Thames, Munish. This river holds great importance in London,
just like our Yamuna river in Delhi.
But the difference is that this river is very clean...
and it is the entertainment of London and the industries of London...
from the start have developed because of this river, and it has helped in the growth of London
Somehow we too have to make sure that the Yamuna river looks more or less the same as River Thames here.
And, then I can guarantee you that, Delhi will look exactly like London.
So, Mr. Jai Nath, you came to India and you promoted the Aam Aadmi Party.
Yes
I remember you came there and supported the Party.
Yes.
And, you volunteered your services as well, so what are your thoughts about it nowadays?
I heard you are not very happy with the Aam Aadmi Party? Please share something about this.
What was the spirit behind it?
This is correct. See Munish...
if you have formed a political party then you need donations to run it.
So, if everyone gets to know where your donations are coming from, and how it is being spent...
in this case, people will not hesitate to donate because they know...
that their donations are being used judiciously.
Alright.
So, when the donations were declared online
we could see who gave the donations and how it was spent.
Then people were satisfied that this is a politically correct and honest party.
Yes, but the Aam Aadmi Party said that you can come and see how the funds are used?
But when I am sitting in London, how can I go there?
There are so many NRIs like me, who donated to Aam Aadmi Party.
How will they keep a check? Who is going to inform them?
So, the only method they have is to check online.
Why does it matter if they hide the donation details?
If you hide the donation details, then you can take donations from corrupt people as well.
So how do we know that?
And, the fundamental principle of the party was to eradicate corruption, but it didn't happen.
How can it happen?
We came forward to change the political system which did not happen.
We wanted to implement alternative politics.
And we are still dreaming about it.
And they still talk about everything else, but not about the fundamental principles,
which were written with their participation as well. Even they participated in it.
Okay, what did you do in Delhi? Please share something with us?
When I went to Delhi, one of his main worker,
I don't remember the name of this man. He was one of his assistants.
Bibhav?
No not Bibhav.
Ms. Aswathi.
No the one who is still with him. He's is an MP now.
Sanjay Singh. So, Sanjay Singh sent me to Wazirpur.
Sanjay Singh?
Imagine, Sanjay Singh. I don't know how intelligent he is?
He sent me to Wazirpur and I was stuck there. I did a lot of work there.
Then...what can I say? This is really funny...
I am not sure whether I should laugh or cry?
No, Mr. Jai Nath, Kejriwal always spoke about you.
He knew that at the age of 75, you came to Delhi from London to promote the party.
You never asked for any money, rather you spent your own money and did everything.
So, sometimes I sit here and wonder what should I do now?
Remember you invited me to go to Hoshiarpur and Chandigarh and we went there to oppose them.
But now what to do?
Arvind Kejriwal said that we will share the accounts of every single penny in front of the people...
with those who donate for the party
He did share the donation details for 2 years, but later he removed it from the party's website.
This is wrong and it happened because of his dark thoughts.
You have to be clean and...
transparent...
so that anyone can come and see the donation details.
Speak up Delhi, Speak up...
Open your heart and share your secrets...
Speak up Delhi, Speak up...
Open your heart and share your secrets...
You tell me where is the Yamuna river?
After Wazirabad, the Yamuna river passes through 22 drains...
and in these drains, people are bathing and celebrating Chatth prayer ceremony.
There is no Yamuna water in this river.
You must have sensed it by now because of this stench.
So after bathing here, if these women don't bathe at home they will surely fall sick.
The government sends new agencies regularly who claim to purify of the Yamuna river.
But it can't be purified as they are stealing the money.
Right now, we are standing next to a river, which is very sick and admitted to the ICU and it can die soon.
What to say about the plight of Delhi, its leadership is only deceiving
Delhi is drowned in pain it no longer has a will to live
He will be accused who did not honor his commitments
Expose him... Expose him...
Speak up Delhi, Speak up..
Open your heart and share your secrets.
Speak up Delhi, Speak up..
Open your heart and share your secrets.
Today is a new beginning as the entire Delhi Government is here...
all Delhi ministers are sitting here...
and today the Delhi governemnt is taking an oath...
that within 5 years Yamuna river... way before 5 years, we are making a promise
that we will revive the Yamuna river within 5 years
Today we have organized a small program today and in these 5 years,
we have to bring every Delhiite over to the Yamuna river bank and make them feel proud of it
so we can proudly say that the Yamuna flowing in Delhi is ours and is the lifeline of Delhi.
I was surprised when one of my colleagues asked her son,
to take me to see their river first.
He took me in a car to see the Vistula River.
On the way, I started wondering, why do they want me to see the river?
Is their river extremely beautiful? Or is there, something special about this river?
As I always thought there can't be any other river like the Ganga and Yamuna which belong to us.
But honestly, when I saw that river, it felt as if someone was covered in a snow-white blanket,
I saw such a beautiful river for the first time in my life.
And, later it left an impact on my mind that if someone comes to visit my country...
Will I be able to tell that person to go and see the Ganga river?
Or you should visit Benaras, and see the condition of River Ganga.
Or visit Mathura to see Yamuna river, or even Delhi because when any country is judged,
the capital acts like a mirror for the country.
And the Delhiites are fortunate, that even if it is 22 kilometers, at least they have a river...
they have got a necklace of 22 kilometers...
which connects with 22 Drains, and in this 22 kilometers stretch there are 22 drains.
So, I am sarcastically saying this to agitate all Delhiites...
that all these 22 drains come together to form, a 23rd drain which is known as the Yamuna.
And this is very shameful because I can show them the Red Fort, the Hyderabad House, and Connaught Place...
but can I tell somebody to come and see my Yamuna river.
And, just see this location, where the Chatth Prayer ceremony is being held is in Central Delhi,
which is right under the government's nose.
And this is the longest harbor that we are standing on is right under the government's nose.
and if this harbor is in such bad shape, then you can imagine how the other cities will be like.
He fakes spirituality... He exploits humanity...
his hidden agenda is corruption...
They are fully overpowered with greed for money
Delhiites are in a state of pain because he has ransacked every generosity
Expose him... Expose him...
Speak up Delhi, speak up!
open your heart and share your secrets!
Speak up Delhi, speak up!
open your heart and share your secrets!